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Whooping Cough: Why Is Everyone So Scared? Part 2

beth October 2, 2012

Yesterday, we talked about all the fear behind whooping cough with facts. You can find that here: Whooping Cough: Why Is Everyone So Scared? Part 1. There are so many conflicting views being thrown at parents when it comes to whooping cough. To a point it can seem overwhelming.  However, it is important that you take the time to follow the facts and come to your own educated conclusion of what is best for your family.

What”s A Parent To Do?

Educate yourself! Most doctors and parents fear whooping cough because they have never been trained to properly treat it.   The standard treatment is antibiotics which are very ineffective and can cause numerous long term problems.  My best advice for doctors and parents…learn to treat whooping cough using Vitamin C.   Vitamin C works by energizing the bodies white blood cells, neutralizing the toxins produced by the whooping cough bacteria and thinning out the mucus.   Vitamin C doesn”t shorten the course of the infection & the body will still need to fight off the bacteria but casino online the symptoms will be FAR less severe. I recommend either non-GMO sodium ascorbate dosed at 300-375 mg/kg (1 kg = 2.2 lbs) or Lipospheric vitamin C.  Lipospheric vitamin C (aka Liposomal vitamin C) is much more potent and bioavailable than ordinary oral or even IV vitamin C so only use 1/3 the amount (100-125 mg/kg).  If you get any diarrhea, it indicates that your body is saturated and you should decrease the dosage.   It is important to use vitamin C for the entire course of illness because stopping too soon can result in a rebound of symptoms.  Dr. Suzanne Humphries, MD has written an excellent in-depth article on the treatment of whooping cough using vitamin C.  I encourage parents and physicians to take the time to review it here.  By arming yourself with the facts, you can fend off the fear tactics that come your way.  Knowledge is power! If you live in the Carlsbad, CA area and would like more info about upcoming pediatric workshops or how pediatric chiropractic care can help strengthen your child”s immune system, I can be contacted through my website www.ElevationFamilyChiropractic.com.

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58 Comments

  1. How would you give vitamin C to an ill infant? Would the mother take it to then pass on through breastmilk?

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    • Hey Monica,
      Although vit C can be passed through the breast milk, it is not the ideal way because it takes 7-8 hours to be absorbed and your body is also utilizing the vit C so the amount making it to the infant can vary considerably depending on your own body’s needs. A much more reliable way to dose it would be as follows…If you are breast feeding, putting it in a dropper & slowly dropping it into the infants mouth while he/she is feeding or if using formula, add it directly to the formula.

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    • Monica, I should add that Liposomal vit C is taken up much faster than traditional oral vit C however the issue with dosage variation when trying to pass it from mother to infant through breast milk still applies.

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  2. What would be the dosage for infants and children?

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    • Hey Bethany,
      The dosage recommendations are based on weight so that they can be applied to a child of any age.

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  3. My daughter is not vaccinated. She is 4 months. Should I be giving her vitamin C as a precaution? Or should I only give it when she gets sick? Would the dose be different when she’s not sick vs. when she gets sick? One more question, should I take it as well? And if we’re both taking it, could she get too much because she gets it through my milk and the dropper? Woah that’s a lot of questions (sorry!)

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    • Hey Jennifer,

      You should be getting a majority of your vitamin C from whole foods like sweet red peppers, strawberries, oranges, raw milk etc. but taking a supplement yourself as well as adding a little bit to your daughters feeding for prevention of illness is just fine as it is difficult to get too much Vitamin C particularly if you are using a whole food form like from acerola cherries which is what I recommend. You will know your/her body is saturated if you or her experience diarrhea. The dosage recommendations in the article are typically reserved for when you or your child is sick & it is next to impossible to overdose when your child is sick because the body needs are increased significantly. Hope that helps =)

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  4. I received a very fear inducing email from our school district last night about “three suspected cases of pertussis.” Of course they used every scare tactic possible. I was just wondering what kind of preventative measures we can take. Upping garlic, vitamin c, elderberry all that goods stuff but is there anything else we can be doing?
    Thanks

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    • You are doing a lot of great things. Just be sure they are getting plenty of sunshine without sunscreen (Vitamin D), fermented foods (probiotics), rest & water.

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  5. Hi
    my son is 15months (has come down with whooping cough- not vaccinated- still b\feed aswell as food meals ), and according to the Suzanne H conversion he should be getting just under 4g. I have been giving him on a teaspoon 3 sachets a day . (NO water) as he wouldn’t drink it down in a cup!. Is this a problem? Also he is not getting the diarrhea either, he still coughing where he is red faced on occasions. Any suggestions ppplllllleeeeease!

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    • You should up the dosage to bowel tolerance. You might want to try using a dropper & dropping it into his mouth during feedings. You can mix the vit C with breast milk if you prefer.

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      • Thanks so much for replying!. What would be the max. dose to give in one go. and how often ? eg. 1 gram every hour \ 30mins etc. What do you recommend?
        PS I am now using a non-GMO sodium ascorbate

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        • I have never known any otherwise healthy kids who have any significant side effects using vitamin C. The body will let you know when the dose is too large with a bout of diarrhea. Try upping from 4 to 5 grams spaced every 1/2 hour & giving the largest dose towards the evening. If still not enough you can increase by 1 gram at a time.

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        • Also make sure you are taking plenty yourself…at least 10g if not more. It will keep you healthy and some will pass to your infant =)

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  6. sorry forgot to add that am using the Lipospheric vitamin C. And this ill be the 3rd day of use.
    Thanks

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  7. Great info-thanks! I have an almost 11-month that I am watching/concerned may have wc. Curious to know if you think Nature’s Way organic fruit blend: vitamin c blend would be an ok supplement to use, simply because it says it also contains manioc root. Also-at this age would she have the abdominal muscles necessary to expel the mucus or would the supportive technique in Dr. Humphries article be important?

    Thanks!

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    • As long as the blend is using whole food ingredients with naturally high levels of vit C, that is just fine. An 11-month old naturally has far better ab control & airway development than his younger peers, however, that technique can still be helpful.

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  8. I take elderberry syrup when feeling a cold coming on. Could I give my 3 month old some in a dropper while breastfeeding? It contains acerola cherries. Just took him to the doctor, suspecting whooping cough. Not sure if it is yet, awaiting culture results. Was given a prescription for antibiotics to start him on “just in case.” I’m hesitant to give my infant antibiotics at such a young age and without certainty of whooping cough. Came upon your blog in my research for natural alternatives. Thanks.

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    • Yes you can. Using a dropper while breast feeding is an excellent way to introduce vitamin C. In addition, you should be taking some yourself.

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      • thanks. Just curious if Emergen-C powder would be okay to give him in a dropper for whooping cough?

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        • I don’t recommend Emergen-C. It’s a combo of numerous synthetic versions of vit C. I prefer whole food vit C if possible.

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          • Thanks. This should be my last question. After reading Dr. Humphrey’s article and recommended dosage for sodium ascorbate, I can’t figure out the conversion amount for acerola powder. I just bought acerola powder to give to my 12 week old with whooping cough. He weighs 12 lbs. The powder says to have 170mg of Vit C and 3.4g acerola per 1 1/2 tsp. I feel like I’d have to give him about 7 tsp/day!? Because it is not as concentrated? Maybe I’m not understanding correctly. Wondering if I should switch to sodium ascorbate? Could you help?

          • That would amount to more like 16.5 tsp/day. Yes. If you suspect whooping cough, sodium ascorbate would be far more economical =)

  9. I had 4 littles with wc last summer (ages 6, 4, 2, 9 mo.) It was a long hard summer. We took my 2 yr old to the doctor 4 times trying to diagnose what he had. Finally after hearing him cough on the fourth visit and knowing all my kids are not vaccinated he took the pertussis culture. I dont know why I didnt think of it first, but the moment he said it, I knew and started immediate home treatment. All 4 of them had it. I made some antibiotics out of garlic, raw honey, ginger, lemon juice and cayenne pepper and gave them a teaspoon 4-6 times a day along with a high dose of vitamin c every hour. We also spent many hours reading a book here and there locked in the bathroom with the hot shower steaming(I found out later that cool mist is better). Nights were the worst. I had everyone in my room because it made it easier to be at an arms reach when/if things went bad. I had a humidifier going with eucalyptus oil in it) I “slept” upright with my infant on my chest to help him through the night. I was up and down all night with one kid or another having a coughing spell. If things got too bad, we would just go to the bathroom and fill it with steam. That always seemed to help. The coughing attacks lasted 3 full months with sporadic episodes up to 6 months after they first got it. Modern antibiotics would not have shortened the duration of the illness and may have made it more difficult to get over. I stand by my decision to not vaccinate my children and love the knowledge that they are most likely immune to this illness for life. No boosters needed! It was scary and exhausting, but im glad we got through it naturally.

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  10. I have a 13 month old who I suspect has whooping cough he was vaccinated up to 6 months of age then we educated ourselves and decided we would not be vaccinating any longer. I have been doing all of the above i.e. the vitamin C using Turmeric in honey and lemon with some garlic and ginger and also cooking foods that will help with his recovery.
    I feel that these things have all been working and am confident that I can help him recover from this. My hubby has asked me to take him to a MD to have him diagnosed so we know what we are dealing with for sure. Although I’m a little nervous as to how the dr will react considering she was LESS then impressed of our decision not to vaccinate and begged me to give him the whooping cough vaccine, I’m happy to do it and can understand his want to have that done. My question is if he does have it then is he counted as being vaccinated or not? Being only 13 months he hasn’t had the last one but all others up to date. I guess I’m just preparing myself for the onslaught of questions and remarks about him having it. Also just wondering if he would now be immune to it? I’ve read that once you get it that your naturally immunised for around 30 yrs, but vaccinated kids only 2 or so yrs?. How does that work?

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    • He would be considered partially vaccinated. Yes, once he recovers he should have long term immunity from whooping cough caused by various bacteria (ie. pertussis & parapertussis) unlike vaccinated kids who, if they do get any immunity whatsoever, will get short term protection from the vaccine-strain of pertussis (ptxP1).

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      • Thank you, Just returned from Doctors. Won’t do the whooping cough test because he “doesn’t have whooping cough” he is immunised so firstly can’t. Secondly he has a clear chest, throat, ears and glands are good. Nothing needs to be done but if he isn’t 100% by the weekend gave me a prescription for antibiotics???? Strange how nothing is wrong…..yet here give him some of these to clear up any infection he may have…just in case!. This was all done while laughing at the fact that I said I would like to rule out whooping cough with the pertussis antibody blood test. Left feeling like a fool. Prescription is in the bin and I’m continuing with what I’ve been doing. Sorry to vent, rant over 🙂

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  11. thanks for this! i have a 32lb 2.5yo who has a really nasty cough and all the symptoms, i just bought a big jug of sodium ascorbate off amazon, however im having a hard time figuring out the dosage for him. can you help? how many tsp a day?

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  13. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your two articles about pertussis and the answers you have giving other parents above, my gut tells me we are dealing will pertussis here in early stages and I had been giving already high doses of sodium ascorbate child’s weight divided by 2.2 times 375 to get amounts wow so much … We have 5 children ages 5 months, almost 4 with asthma using quav and albuterol when needed , 6, 9, 11. I was giving the 5 month old almost the above doses and the other kids like half what equation comes out to but then I got scared that evening what I was giving them was too much and would harm them some about doing something to blood, alkaline? So I started just a double dies if the pure acerola, but after reading this above I have the confidence if kids need to up doses. I have use all taken cod liver oil, vit d, sunshine, elderberry syrup, and turmeric honey lemon garlic ginger syrup (besides baby being under a year) also garlic oil, olbas, oil, and oregano oil rubbed on baby’s feet, ready to steam kids with oregano oil as well . I’m not sure why but this whole pertussis epidemic thing has just got me so worked up with fear but I’m feeling more confident now after reading your info , and worrying is not going to help anything but being prepared and confident to care for my little ones will thank again

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  14. Hi, I just was wondering…with a 4 month old infant, would the vitamin C need to be given through the middle of the night as well? Or just through the day until bedtime, and given a bit larger dose before bed to tide her through the night? Just not sure if the baby will wake up with low levels in the morning if not given through the night, which would cause harsher bouts of coughing? Also, with dosing, my daughter is 17 pounds, so her dose amount would be about 2,897mg a day…how should I divide that up to spread throughout the day? A dose every 30 minutes, or every hour, or 2 hours until I reach the total dose amount at the end of the day? Just not sure how often I should give a dose to keep the levels up. It’s also a tad hard to tell saturation with her because she already has frequent, runny bowel movements being soley breastfed. So how can I be sure she is getting enough? And one last question, the Lypo-Spheric Vit. C does not dissolve, so how should I go about getting that in her system. She will not take a bottle for anything. Sorry for so many questions! I am just kind of winging it right now. :/

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    • Sorry for the late response. The comment went to my spam. If my daughter were dealing with whooping cough, I would give equally divided doses every hour or 2 throughout the day with a slightly larger dose prior to bedtime to help minimize coughing through the night but would also give small doses throughout the night when she woke to feed. The easiest way that I have found to give vit c if the baby won’t take a bottle is to use an eye dropper or SNS/lactation aid (small bottle with a long hose attached that goes into the corner of the baby’s mouth) while mom is breastfeeding. I have only ever use lipospheric vit c which in liquid form which can be made at home.

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  15. Is it safe for me go be taking 1000 ml of acerola/vitamin c tablets while breastfeeding? I’ve done this for two days thinking it was fine until I researched further and realized it is not recommended for mother while bfing because nothing is none about its side-effects. I’ve noticed myself and baby feeling and sleepy tremendously better and feeling better as far as I can tell! Did I do the wrong thing. I was taking them bc I can feel a cold/cough coming on.

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  16. Hello. Thank you posting a very interesting article. The comments/threads have been insightful. I do have a question regarding the dosage: Dr. Perez, in a comment above you mentioned 4 to 5 grams spaced every 1/2 hour. Would that mean 4 to 5 grams each 1/2 hour, meaning my child will drink 4 grams of Sodium Ascorbate now and then 1/2 hour later she will drink another 4-5 grams and so on every 1/2 hour until she is saturated?
    Thank you so much in advance.

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  17. Okay! I found the info on vaccination council. Thank you again.

    “If using pounds, use this equation: (weight in pounds divided by 2.2) times 375 = for the 24 hour dose, in mg per kg.
    Example: If your child weighs 20 pounds then you have 20 divided by 2.2 times 375= 3409 mg of vitamin C powder in a 24-hour period.”

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  18. Hi. My daughter is two yrs old. Weighs 30 lbs and has a horrible cough that has a mucus sound to it. I have been giving her pure organic cold pressed pineapple juice because I have heard that it is wonderful for coughs. i would like to add in vitamin c. I purchased sodium ascorbate, non gmo. I’m confused on how much to give her.

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  19. OK, so i figured out that my daughter is supposed to get 5113 mg in a 24 hour period. According to the package, 1/4 tsp is equal to 1112 mg. So should I just give her 1/4 tsp every 5 hours? Is that too much?

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  20. I live in a place with limited natural food/herb places. Is the Absorbic Acid powder You buy in the cooking aisle at supermarket sufficient enough for Vit C therapy?

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    • I do not know if ‘natural’ vit c has ever been studied. It certainly wouldn’t be the 100-125mg since Liposomal is a very special type. It likely would be more in line with the 300-375mg/kg/day. The issue that can occur with some blends is that the listed amount of vit c may not be the same as the actual vit c in the serving. If you want get sodium ascorbate I believe you can order it from http://www.Iherb.com

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  21. I am just confused I have been reading ascorbic acid is not as good for you and your body can not absorb it as well as vitamin c from foods and that it can be made from corn and my son has corn allergies, want to be effective but am confused as to the different things I am reading ex. “In reality, ascorbic acid is an isolated nutrient that is part of Vitamin C but it is not the whole Vitamin C.”

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    • Sodium ascorbate, although not the ‘natural’ food form,is very well absorbed across the gut lining. It is not the same as the calcium ascorbate in many synthetic formulations of ascorbic acid. For therapeutic purposes we use sodium ascorbate (or liposomal). For daily maintenance we use whole-food vit C.

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      • Ok, so you would recommend both of them just one more for daily and the other for colds/flus etc as an immune booster, the other difference is I was looking at ascorbic acid not sodium ascorbate two different things, sorry for the confusion. Last question hopefully, would you recommend the sodium ascorbate or the lipospheric?

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  22. SO sorry to keep posting I keep looking but can’t find a sodium ascorbate that’s not corn based as it contains ascorbic acid in it and the liposomal ones all use corn as an emulsifier whether as citric acid, cellulose or xantham gum etc so you think if I used the pure radiance vit c from natural foods at the 375 that would be suffice?

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  23. Hi,

    I have a 7 weeks old baby. Can I give liposomal vitamin c to her via a baby dropper. She is 6 kg, so would calculate the amount and devide it by 3 to reach the amount for liposomal.

    She sometimes has reflux and brings up some milk, is the liposomal absorbed in her cheek, as I would use the dropper there?

    Also I thought you can’t get diahorrea from using liposomal. How do I know she has reached her limit?

    Many thanks

    Danielle

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    • You can give via dropper. Yes divide by 3. It is likely absorbed via the blood vessels in the mouth however I have not seen research assessing that directly. Diarrhea will indicate when she is saturated with vit c.

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  24. Hi, I have a 3 and a half month old. We bought the lypo spheric vitamin c, he ‘s somewhere around 7 kg. So looking at lypospheric dosage, he would need around 700 mg /24hr of a day ? Thank you so much

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  25. hi, I tried to take myself and give my son lipo vit C, he’s 28lbs. even though we shared one pack of it, I felt a very strong aftertaste of alcohol, and it also felt like I had a shot of alcohol drink, I wonder if it’s okay for a toddler, is it really ok to give it to him or I should better make one myself?
    tis

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    • Hi,

      How much were you giving him? If it’s only a few drops, I wouldn’t worry. If the dose is larger, I might look into another option.

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